Baby Reindeer latest — Piers Morgan claims Netflix ‘failed’ Fiona Harvey as he plans to interview Richard Gadd
PIERS Morgan has said he wants to interview Baby Reindeer creator Richard Gadd following his bombshell chat with the "real Martha."
The Uncensored host appeared on ITV's Lorraine to discuss his interview with Fiona Harvey.
The 'real-life Martha' from hit show Baby Reindeer told Piers she is taking legal action against Richard Gadd and Netflix.
And towards the end of his interview with Lorraine, Piers called on Richard Gadd to appear on his Uncensored show to provide "evidence" of the events in Baby Reindeer.
Piers added that he feels streaming giant Netflix has "failed" to protect Fiona Harvey's identity.
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Fiona Harvey says she didn’t have his number
Fiona Harvey said she never left voice messages for Richard Gadd – and said the only way he would’ve had recordings of her voice would have been taped at the bar they met at.
“Why would there even be a possibility of him having that number of voice messages from you?” Piers Morgan asked about the 350 voicemails.
“Because he’s crazy and wants to make this up,” Harvey said.
“I mean, I’ve not phoned the guy. I don’t have his number.”
“The only explanation for having a voicemail from me would be taping me in The Hawley Arms. That’s the only place we’ve ever met,” she said.
“I mean, my point is, though, even if that were true, I didn’t lunge at him across the bar. I didn’t a sexual assault him in a canal. I didn’t go to jail.”
'I think there may have been a couple of emails'
The start of Baby Reindeer’s first episode shows Donny desperately walking into a police station and showing an incredulous officer streams of messages — often badly spelt — on his phone.
Fiona scoffed at suggestions that he received 41,000 emails, 350 hours of voicemails, 744 tweets, 48 Facebook messages and 106 letters.
She said: “That’s simply not true. If somebody was sending somebody 41,000 emails, they’d be doing how many a day? Lots.”
Piers asked her: “What did you send?” Fiona replied: “I think there may have been a couple of emails, but that was it. Just jokey banter emails.”
Harvey opens up about current relationship
Despite saying that she asked Piers Morgan to not bring up relationships, Fiona Harvey admits that she’s been in a relationship with a lawyer now for five years.
“I don’t want to drag him in,” she said about her partner.
“He thinks this is horrendous. All of my lawyer friends do. All of my professional friends do. Other people do.
“People are being really sympathetic,” she continued.
“People I don’t know are saying things like, ‘Are you getting hounded in the street?’ You know, people are being really, really nice, anyone who does know about this.”
Fiona confessed she did say Gadd looked like a 'baby reindeer'
Asked by Piers if Gadd offered her a free cup of tea at the pub, Fiona said: “No, that’s not correct. He didn’t offer me a cup of tea. I was in for a meal.”
She claimed Gadd actually barged in on a chat she was having with someone else in the pub.
Fiona told Piers: “He interrupted a conversation. He said, ‘Oh you’re Scottish’ and basically commandeered the conversation. I was talking to somebody. It’s pretty rich. He seemed to be obsessed with me from that moment onwards.”
However Fiona confessed she did say Gadd looked like a “baby reindeer”, which Martha does, as he resembled a toy she had as a child.
She said: “I had a toy reindeer and he’d shaved his head, that bit is true, and there were reindeers in the shops because it was Christmas. It was a joke, so I’ve inadvertently penned the name of the show.”
'I’m not a stalker'
Last night Fiona called the fallout from the Netflix show “very defamatory, career-damaging”.
She told Piers on his Uncensored show on YouTube: “On the internet, sleuths tracked me down and hounded me and gave me death threats. I was forced into this situation.”
She described the abuse as “absolutely horrendous”, adding of Gadd: “I could not believe he’d done that. So long after the first meeting, we’re talking ten or 12 years ago. I think he’s got extreme psychiatric problems. It’s a work of fiction.”
She adds: “I’m not a stalker. This is just complete nonsense.”
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I AM Baby Reindeer's Martha but I'm no stalker - here’s the only part Netflix got right, Fiona Harvey tells Piers MorganRichard Gadd is 'the real psychopath'
Fiona Harvey has told is “making money out of untrue facts”.
She went on to , on being told he's likely made millions from the series.
The 58-year-old Donnie Dunn with thousands of emails and showing up at the pub where he works every day.
Harvey was 'outed' within hours of the show premiering on Netflix last month by internet sleuths.
In her first TV interview, Harvey has slammed Gadd as "psychotic" and the "ultimate misogynist".
What to know about Fiona Harvey
The real life Fiona Harvey
Fiona, 58, is from Fyvie, Aberdeenshire and says she met Gadd years ago when he was a bartender at The Hawley Arms in London's Camden.
She admits to befriending him and claims she gifted him a pair of “tartan M&S pants" to congratulate him on one of his comedy shows.
But she denies she stalked him.
“I am very attractive. He’s not Brad Pitt," she told The Scottish Sun.
“I have a claim against Netflix as this is being billed as part of a true story.
“There’s a fat actress that’s supposed to be me.
“I’m a highly competent lawyer. I’d have to do it myself. I’m very good.
“I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything."
As for how she discovered the show, she says she first became aware of it when Gadd took it to Edinburgh Fringe Festival as a one-man show.
She said: “He’s come up with this character called Martha and he has put me right in the frame.
“This is a programme for the 20-somethings. The people with no lives, no jobs, whatever. I don’t want to be a celebrity.”
Piers Morgan:
But if Richard Gadd feels entitled to make millions airing his side of the story, and make very serious allegations about Fiona Harvey in the process, then she is surely entitled to respond and defend herself?
As for who is exploiting whom, I’ll leave that to the court of public opinion to decide.
Piers Morgan:
She also made a series of emphatic blanket denials about how long she knew Gadd, and how much contact she had with him, that are provably false.
The claim that she only sent him one letter, when he says he has 105, seems especially disingenuous.
On balance, I’d say Fiona Harvey lied to me quite a lot in the interview and if her threatened legal action against Netflix and Gadd goes ahead, I suspect it will quickly emerge she did send all the emails, messages, and letters to him.
But that doesn’t mean she can’t be a victim here too.
, by his own admission, is a very damaged guy who took a lot of drugs, enthusiastically pursued a chaotic lurid sex life, and did lead on Martha in a way that may have fuelled her obsession. He’s also been accused of who he was lining up for work.
Frankly, it’s all a mess.
Piers Morgan: 'That's not normal'
The ‘email thing’ is the 41,000 emails she’s said to have sent Gadd.
And if that bit is true, then it would suggest she was very obsessively pursuing contact with him.
I also found it very strange that she admitted to having up to 6 email addresses, and 4 mobile phones which she ‘used for different people.’
That’s not normal.
Piers Morgan:
All of which points to a spectacular duty of care failure by Netflix, Gadd, and Clerkenwell Films who produced the series, which I would think carries with it serious legal jeopardy.
Of course, none of this means Fiona Harvey told me the truth.
I found her to be intelligent, quick-thinking, and combative.And on a human level, I felt sorry for her that she’s been publicly dragged through the mincer like this.
Her general behaviour, on and off camera, with me and my team didn’t give any of us cause for concern about either her potential danger or her mental state, though it should be said that stalkers can be very convincing in their ability to hide their real personalities or obsessive intent.
But there were moments in the interview where my suspicious alarm bells rang loud, especially when she suddenly said, ‘Even if the email thing was true, the rest is not.’
Piers Morgan:
Perhaps she’s lying.
But it’s not a difficult thing to check, and if it turns out that Fiona Harvey has never been convicted of stalking Gadd or anyone else, then that surely blows a massive hole in Baby Reindeer’s credibility?
And it would call into serious question just how much of Gadd’s version of events can be believed.
Netflix also claims it did everything possible to avoid the real people behind the characters in the show being identified.
But the actress they chose to play Martha bears a striking resemblance physically, and in the way she spoke in the series, to Fiona Harvey.
And as a result of , including specific phrases used in tweets and messages purportedly from Martha to Gadd, in about ten nano seconds.
Piers Morgan:
Netflix boast it’s a ‘’ at the start of the series, without equivocation.
And lest there be any doubt of the streamer’s position, Benjamin King, Netflix's Senior Director of Public Policy in the U.K., told a Parliamentary committee this week:
‘Baby Reindeer is an extraordinary story, and it is obviously a true story of the horrific abuse that the writer and protagonist, Richard Gadd, suffered at the hands of a convicted stalker.’
Yet Fiona says she’s never been convicted of stalking Gadd, let alone shame-facedly admitted it in court as the show says.
And no journalists have yet found any evidence that she has ever been charged or convicted of any crime.
Piers Morgan:
I've interviewed a lot of very dangerous people in my career, from serial killers to medically diagnosed psychopaths.
And the , often because their warped minds have made them believe what they’re saying even if facts speak otherwise.
Fiona Harvey hasn’t killed anyone.
But if she , then she is certainly a very unstable, obsessive, and threatening stalker who made ’s life utter hell.
And indeed, the . But IS it all true?
Watch Fiona Harvey tell Richard Gadd to 'get a life'
Piers Morgan Baby Reindeer interview LIVE — ‘Real Martha’ Fiona Harvey sends scathing message to Richard Gadd after showFiona Harvey gives message to viewers
Fiona Harvey shares a message to those watching that still doubt her.
"I think you should watch this," she said while looking at the camera.
"I think you should look at the number of articles that Richard Gadd and Jessica the actress have done and how Netflix and he have promoted this.
"I think you should look at him saying that I'm some sort of mental case and I think you should judge for yourselves," she said.
"I can't change your mind on this I can just rebut what has been said but you need to make up your mind.
"But my mind is made up," she said. "He's a liar, and my friends say likewise."
How much has Richard Gadd made?
Fiona Harvey asked Piers Morgan how much he thinks Richard Gadd has made off the hit Netflix show, and Piers estimated "several million pounds."
“I think he’s done bloody well out of defaming me," Harvey replied.
"He’s making money out of untrue facts. He’s been the ultimate misogynist.”
'Is that a serious question?'
Piers asked Fiona Harvey if she was ever in love with Richard Gadd.
“Piers. Is that a serious question?" she asked before adding, "no."
However, she went on to say that Gadd had asked her to sleep with him and she "brushed him off."
"I gave him the brush off big time, she said.
"But the bottom line is.. No, I don’t fancy little boys without jobs."
Fiona Harvey has six email addresses
Fiona Harvey said that she might have up to six email addresses.
"I like to keep people on different phones and different emails," she said.
"Maybe four. I think it’s four to six. Yeah, it’s just easier, it’s easier. So you have some for your utilities, some for close friends, whatever."
When Piers Morgan said he didn't know anyone with six emails, she responded, "You don’t know many people then, and I know, I know people with four or six email addresses.”
She revealed that she also has four different phones.
Fiona Harvey shares message to Richard Gadd
Fiona Harvey has a message for Baby Reindeer creator Richard Gadd.
“Leave me alone, please," she said.
"Get a life, get a proper job.
"I am horrified at what you’ve done," she concluded.
Fiona Harvey says she didn't have his number
Fiona Harvey said she never left voice messages for Richard Gadd - and said the only way he would've had recordings of her voice would have been taped at the bar they met at.
"Why would there even be a possibility of him having that number of voice messages from you?” Piers Morgan asked about the 350 voicemails.
“Because he’s crazy and wants to make this up," Harvey said.
"I mean, I’ve not phoned the guy. I don’t have his number."
"The only explanation for having a voicemail from me would be taping me in The Hawley Arms. That’s the only place we’ve ever met," she said.
"I mean, my point is, though, even if that were true, I didn’t lunge at him across the bar. I didn’t a sexual assault him in a canal. I didn’t go to jail.”
Harvey opens up about current relationship
Despite saying that she asked Piers Morgan to not bring up relationships, Fiona Harvey admits that she's been in a relationship with a lawyer now for five years.
“I don’t want to drag him in," she said about her partner.
"He thinks this is horrendous. All of my lawyer friends do. All of my professional friends do. Other people do.
"People are being really sympathetic," she continued.
"People I don’t know are saying things like, ‘Are you getting hounded in the street?’ You know, people are being really, really nice, anyone who does know about this.”
She denies previous allegations
Fiona Harvey has denied previous "inappropriate behavior" while working at a legal firm in Scotland.
"I haven't harassed that family," she said.
"I didn't harass that family."